The Aesthetics of High Frame Rate Cinema

Oh, brother, why in the world do you keep trying to convince me of your point of view???? Quite a lack of self confidence you’re showing that you feel a need to keep pecking at me, that you feel a need to prove me wrong—which just makes me think, there’s something lacking on your end, that you’re tyring to make yourself feel better with a complete stranger on the web. You just don’t know how, or when, to ‘agree to disagree’.

Geez, go elsewhere to get your 3D LOCATION PRODUCTION answers, because a continued pecking at me is a REAL waste of time of space, in trying to to talk to a non-3D stereographer about these issues—especially since AGAIN, I love the Hobbit and Jackson’s choices!... Why are you not just using your annoyance, closemindedness and lack of knowledge to enlighten yourself with the right people who are the production experts in the 3D production field, the 3D stereographers? How hard is it to use your energy—albeit negative energy at the moment—to just go talk to the actual 3D professionals and filmmakers who are workings these concepts, doing the experiments, testing, researching, etc—all in the continued quest in improving the new 3D/equipment/filmmaking approaches, in order to overcome problems that arise with these new formats, with a desired end result of creating a great film and story in a new way?! Why are you hesitating in doing this action, and instead, spending your time here in continuing to arguing and pestering me, and wasting my time??? What a real negative action you are pursuing. It’s really quite a bullying tactic, to make yourself feel better for an obvious lack of self confidence that I see you have, that you feel the need to ignore my absolute decision to ‘to agree to disagree’, to try to force me to your unfavorable opinion about the Hobbit, and most especially, about Peter Jackson, who I believe is actually a genius, a ‘master of his craft’ who continues moving forward towards self-improvement, a positive career growth type of approach, and therefore, someone who, obviously to me, has such a large amount of positive enthusiastic energy.

I would work with anyone like him ANY DAY – oh wait, I do!

You are a real drag with your negative approach—which doesn’t help with new setups and technologies, except for making others, such as myself, fight against you, to prove you wrong and, therefore, totally leave you behind in the dark ages.

Gee whiz, what a total opposite of conversations that occur in the production field (and other forums) in trading experiences, stories and approaches, and discussing the pros of cons for desired end results.

This is the last time I'm replying, because well, I’ve got too much work to do in getting ready for shoots coming up, getting the proper gear, analyzing the clients shoot setups (and yes, they’re using totally new cameras on the scene, so a total new way of doing things now, with the continued demand for the final piece being of high quality), etc. I don’t need to enlighten myself with information/approach that I certainly don’t subscribe to.

I guess, I should change myself to your negative, Ludditte, uninformed approach, and I should just tell my client, “you’re wrong, the stuff we’ll do will look awful with these cameras! I refuse to do it! We should stick, instead, with VHS cameras!”

They’ll laugh at me. I’ll never get hired again for my daftness and Luddite approach.

What a waste of time here. I'm not interested.

Again, agree to disagree and just let it go!

Again, I don't understand why you do not use your anger and disappointment to present your musings to the 3D Stereographers, the 'horses mouths', (which is why I do talk to THEM, myself, about these issues, and not YOU who have no experience and certainly don't work professionally in the location production field), and instead, you obviously are making yourself feel better in thinking that your bullying into submission of someone who disagrees with you is a good thing—for whom? Not me, certainly. This negative approach, the pecking and bullying and continuation of a discussion and the refusal to ‘agree to disagree’, and drop the conversation, it’s really weeeeird. (for I’m trying to keep the peace—and I keep saying, go to the 3D stereographers, not me!).

And, notice, I’m not getting into the 3D technical aspects because it’s all better addressed by the experts—so why do you keep demanding it of me? Weird.

It just would’ve been best to take my kind helpfulness--in providing information initially to you about more firsthand 3D knowledge and to which direction would be better for your research and questions--by just acknowledging, simply, “Thanks for the info and the suggestions for another, better line of research with actual 3D stereographer experts who can better address and answer my musings and questions. Cheers.”

And, it just keeps going from worse to bad. You now believe that “since you mentioned me by name in YOUR first response I thought it OK to do the same.” Sadly funny, because actually, that’s an absolute NON truth! Reread my reply; I NEVER said your name at all! (if you refer to the “@Douglas Bowker” part at the top of the forum message, THAT is provided by creativecow, not me!). And I especially never said to reply back to me—instead, I initially said to go ELSEWHERE, to “please read more about the tech aspects from the STEREOGRAPHERSs, etc… so it’ll be good to research along these lines.” No direct usage of your name, and nothing saying, ‘contact me for more info.’ Instead, I say, ‘… from the STEREOGRAPHERS.’

The truth will prevail over any imaginings.

In your attempt to prove yourself right, you follow a lacking shallow approach—as continue evidence by your reading of your name in my reply, which DOESN’T EXIST! You so want to prove your point to another, to prove your opinion is right, regarding 3D production and the terrible Jackson approach that you consider a failure, that you are reading and seeing non-existant things (again, the ‘excuses’ that you ONLY ARE IMAGINING, and instead, therefore, the credence you put more on your own, uninformed ‘feeling.’).

Again, I think it’s your own narrow perceptions that are preventing you from seeing and enjoying the Hobbit—and Jackson/crew’s approach—and the genius it is, in its story, the acting and the technical aspects.

Sort of glad to hear about all that you say—informs me to the types of information and the failing negative approaches to stay away from, because for enlightenment and growth, a negative approach of naysaying is actually the true failure. I hope to never be like that, because what a depressing way approaching the production job and life. That youthful enthusiasm, the passion and excitement for film and all-things-art—the beauty of life—THAT is what is lost and gone with negative approach, with naysayers. Jackson and crew, the positive growth and committed approach that encourages passion and excitement and changes—versus the naysayers, whose discouragement lead instead to loss.

I’m glad to NOT call myself a Luddite, which is a total short-sighted negative approach to things here in the 21st6 century, which has much good technology that improves all aspects of life around us—including the NEW technology of computer 3D animation and now, production 3D filmmaking. Luddittes are just scared of change.

Funny and ironic.

—and funny, that you call yourself a Luddite, since you are in a new 21st century field of work/art, COMPUTER 3D ANIMATION! What a total opposite approach of my 3D animator friend who was totally excited and passionate for new production technologies, setups, etc. and who, in the mid -90s had to ignore his college professor who made fun of, and tried to discourage, his desire to do the new, untried animation of 3D (aka, ‘3D animation is a failure and will never happen, don’t waste your time’). But he stuck to his guns and his passion and desires to do the new technology and approach of 3D animation, a strength of character and confidence he had to ignore the naysayers who tried to cut him down and who tried to discourage him, rather than encourage the passion and the energy. Then, bam! within a few short years, Pixar jumped into the scene and totally proved the naysayers of the old animation approach how wrong they were to discount the new animation technology and approach. The new 3D animation companies and their animators, proved how wrong were these naysayers’ with their narrow negative criticisms—their Luditte approaches—and these new 3D computer animators overcame the disrespect the naysayers had for these 3D animator visionaries who ‘played the edge’, who chose to do new ways of doing animation, continued working hard to create the new field of 3D animation; and how these new same visionary 3D/MAC/computer animators stuck to their guns in their belief and continued to work towards a new field and approach, to overcame the dismissal of the naysayers, those who wanted to continue the same ol, same ol of traditional animation methods that had been done for decades. And now look how successful the visionary 3D animators have become: a commonly used 3D animation with many people who now regularly use the 3D techniques for video, film and the internet. Boy, what changes THEIR positive approaches have wrought—to the point of creating the new field, approach and the technologies—and, therefore, the clients and the work—and so, therefore, creating a situation where, you yourself have a job today!

Computer 3D animation did not exist 20 years ago! Luddites were not responsible for the success; visionaries and those who ‘play the edge’ are the ones to thank—and encourage!

The artists.

Sort of sounds like what’s happening with Jackson and others like him—how naysayers are totally dismissing Jackson and crewmembers in their work in achieving a new approach for THEIR field of film production and achieving a new type of film, 3D, 48 fps—they will prove wrong the naysayers with their negative criticisms, by ‘playing the edge’ and choosing to do new ways of doing things, through their own continued hard work and decisions in working out the kinks of 3D production aspects and equipment; in addition, Jackson the visionary, and others such as the 3D stereographers, who ‘play the edge’, will stick to their guns in creating a new way of doing film, in order to follow the quest of improving and adding to their field of film –and never to replace other film types, but to ADD to the types that are out there (2D will always exist, alongside the new 3D films—for it’s just a tool for the storytelling, just like lighting, sound effects, and music, all to enhance the story). And Jackson and other visionaries will continue to work hard to create the new approach of production with 3D cameras/equipment/techniques—and 48fps and other high frame rates-- and will be successful with their positive approach (‘playing the edge’), and with their hard work, while ignoring the naysayers and their Luddite, traditional approaches, in order to be successful in creating a new, good additional way of a film style.

For after all, when color film came onto the scene decades ago, that, too had naysayers who typically, sadly, said ALL the same things as being said today regarding the efforts for 3D filmmaking and the high frame rate aspects, in which these b/w supporters took the same tact of discouragement, dismissal, and disrespect for the efforts of growth and improvement for the industry.

Sadly, it’s a negative aspect of humanity, that some people are so predictable for their negative approach and their resistance to change.

You are an orc and you will be defeated…

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